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1 ... scaling by equintero at Aug. 22, 2001 11:45 pm gmt (Rec'd 1)
2 ...... Re: scaling by Adam Yalonetsky at Aug. 23, 2001 12:02 am gmt (Rec'd 2)
3 ......... Re: scaling by equintero at Aug. 23, 2001 12:35 am gmt (Rec'd 2)
4 ............ Re: scaling by Peter Whitehead at Aug. 23, 2001 7:10 pm gmt (Rec'd 3)
5 ............... Re: scaling by Adam Yalonetsky at Aug. 23, 2001 9:35 pm gmt (Rec'd 2)
6 .................. Re: scaling by Mark Graham at Aug. 25, 2001 3:43 pm gmt (Rec'd 2)
7 ..................... Re: scaling by Adam Yalonetsky at Aug. 25, 2001 5:29 pm gmt (Rec'd 1)
8 ........................ Re: scaling by Mark Graham at Aug. 25, 2001 5:48 pm gmt (Rec'd 1)
9 ............ Re: scaling by Adam Yalonetsky at Aug. 23, 2001 1:28 am gmt (Rec'd 2)
10 ............... Re: scaling by William Li at Aug. 23, 2001 7:38 am gmt (Rec'd 2)
11 .................. Re: scaling by Adam Yalonetsky at Aug. 23, 2001 10:36 am gmt (Rec'd 3)
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Post 1 of 11 Top
FROM: equintero
SUBJECT: scaling
I'm coming into Satori a newbie and experienced Photoshop user. Is there a way to bring in, lets say a Tiff file, then select a portion of the image and scale it down (like in Photoshop)? I can scale the entire layer, but can't seem to scale just a section of the image.



 
Post 2 of 11 responding to post 1 Top
FROM: Adam Yalonetsky
SUBJECT: Re: scaling
Hi.

Satori works a little differently than Photoshop, actually much different. There are a couple of ways to do what you want to do I think. But try this:

1) Select a geometric object (make sure that "filled" is selected.

2) Drag out your shape over the area you want to scale - you will be left with a colored shape - don't worry.

3) Go to "Edit" on the top menu and then "Copy/Paste" - the shape will be moved to a new layer but will now have the section of the image you selected mapped to it instead of being a solid color.

4) Go to the new layer and scale it as you wish.

Is that what you were looking to do?

Adam.



 
Post 3 of 11 responding to post 2 Top
FROM: equintero
SUBJECT: Re: scaling
thanks Adam,

this sorta helps, but I need to resize the a section of a layer without having to cut and paste into new layer. Isn't there a way to grab a portion (with handles to control) and scale it within the layer itself? Also is there a way to scale, rotate or skew around the center point? I'm having a lot of trouble visually tranforming an image, and that grid thing is really not helping!

thanks,

-ed



 
Post 4 of 11 responding to post 3 Top
FROM: Peter Whitehead
SUBJECT: Re: scaling
To use Satori effectively, it's important to realise that it thrives on multiple layers in a way almost impossible in Photoshop. Creating a new layer to perform an edit function such as you're describing is a typical proceedure within Satori; happily you'll end up with a safe, discreet image to play around with, and suffer little impact on RAM/system speed in the process.

To create the kind of scalable object you're after, personally I'd do it something like this:

1. Within the canvas you're working on, load the bitmap you're going to be using to a new layer. At this point, Satori will probably (depending on the image size) recommend converting the bitmap to Satori's propriatory rir format. As a rir image, the app will be able to throw around unfeasably huge images as though they're 30K gifs.

2. Go to actions palette/canvas/define crop. Select the area of the image which is going to be edited. Releasing the pen or mouse will result in a new view of the cropped bitmap.

3. Go to edit/save as. Give this new view a file name, with a .rir extention. Clearly you can save to any bitmap format, but as mentioned rir is the most efficient.

4. Click on 'reset crop' in the actions palette. This obviously turns off any crop functions.

5. Okay, so now the money's safe with this saved cropped bitmap. Clear the layer containing the imported bitmap, and rename as necessary.

6. Go to file/import bitmap. Select 'load as object mapping'.

7. You'll see that the geometry palette automatically defaults to maps. If it's not already selected, click on 'warp'.

8. Create any geometry object (rectangle, irregular polygon, whatever) and the bitmap will be mapped within the object. As 'warp' is active, scaling will result in true rescaling of the image within a regular polygon. Right-clicking on the active object will display both edit options and move parameters; move parameters includes absolute, relative and center options.

9. You should now be able to edit the image as you see fit. This layer can be left as is (with a transformed object that can be later re-edited), or rendered as a rir file for maximum memory efficiency.

Unfortunately, it has to be said that mapping and rotate do not get on. Here I'd recommend saving your edit as a rir bitmap when you're happy, load the bitmap to a fresh layer and rotate the layer. I know this is something you wanted to avoid, but so far as I know there is no other solution.

Although the above may seem at first glance as a lengthy and involved process, it's actually a lot faster than it looks and soon becomes intuitive. It gives you the massive advantage of non-destructive editing - that cropped bitmap can be referenced again and again, and can be mapped to any kind of object in an instant. Also you have the advantage of being able to edit simply massive bitmaps at a stroke.

Good luck!

Peter



 
Post 5 of 11 responding to post 4 Top
FROM: Adam Yalonetsky
SUBJECT: Re: scaling
Hi Peter.

Another great tutorial. BTW. I didn't even know aboyt step 6. You learn something new every day.

This brings me to some bugs in Satori.

1) Often Satori forgets it's in "Keep aspect" mode when you go to edit. Eben if you recheck the box Satori doesn't act accordingly.

2) When you "warp" an image Satori won't allow you go to "Window" and then back to Warp. Well, it will allow you to but the imported bitmap will not be warped after doing this.

Guess these should be added to the wish list as well.

Adam.



 
Post 6 of 11 responding to post 5 Top
FROM: Mark Graham
SUBJECT: Re: scaling
Just for the record, these are on the Bug List - a different beast altogether to the Wish List.

Cheers,

Mark Graham

Satori Support



 
Post 7 of 11 responding to post 6 Top
FROM: Adam Yalonetsky
SUBJECT: Re: scaling
Hi Mark,

Well, I do have some bugs on the wish list. If you want, you can take note of them and I will remove them from the list.

Adam.



 
Post 8 of 11 responding to post 7 Top
FROM: Mark Graham
SUBJECT: Re: scaling
To be safe, please email me the items as you remove them.

Cheers,

Mark.

Satori Support



 
Post 9 of 11 responding to post 3 Top
FROM: Adam Yalonetsky
SUBJECT: Re: scaling
I think you are out of luck on this one. Why does this all have to be on one layer?

Adam.



 
Post 10 of 11 responding to post 9 Top
FROM: William Li
SUBJECT: Re: scaling
adam,

i believe this is wish 26 in the v4 wish list, right?

william



 
Post 11 of 11 responding to post 10 Top
FROM: Adam Yalonetsky
SUBJECT: Re: scaling
Actually, it's not. #26 is real-time previews of transforms. I will have to create a new item for more extensive trasnformation functions for geometry and all objects for that matter.

Adam.



 
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